Liverpool banter 10

29 Nov 2025 00:35:27


funky061 has written an article entitled, Pressure Builds For Arne Slot At Liverpool FC

29 Nov 2025 01:25:08
This is the most charitable way of looking at it really, and fair play you want to give Slot benefit of the doubt. I would not agree with everything you’ve said, namely that we won the league “in style” - I thought we were pretty mediocre from last January but just ground out results - and that we’ve been unlucky this season. We have played abysmally this season, bar maybe 2-3 games? It is not good enough, and not merely a “luck” issue.

There are very simple things that he is getting wrong, so simple that it raises serious questions over his ability to perform. Why does the team look leggy and devoid of fitness? If nothing else they should be able to be relentless none stop for 90 minutes - they struggle to do so for longer than 5 minutes. Ekitike has looked far, far more impactful than Isak, yet Isak starts every game, why? This doesn’t make any sense, and is such a glaringly obvious thing to see. I think the writing is on the wall to be honest, we are in relegation form and look bereft of confidence and cohesion, and Slot has seemingly lost the ability to make meaningful tactical changes in games.

29 Nov 2025 08:32:48
Isak doesn't start every game.

29 Nov 2025 09:41:01
Isak has been awful no denying that but whilst Ekitike did hit the ground running he’s got something like 1 goal in his last 9 appearances for us.

He’s easily been our best signing so far but for me he’s just been the best of a bad bunch.

However we know that bad bunch could be an excellent bunch. They just haven’t been.

{Ed001's Note - to be fair, he was going well until he was dumped for Isak.}

29 Nov 2025 11:38:08
The way we are just sticking isak out there to feed on scraps is kind of criminal if you ask me, at Newcastle he was always involved in the play and had two wide players in Gordon and Murphy who would feed him whenever they could.

Now i appreciate that we have three goalscorers on the field with mo and cody who are the precise opposite of touchline hugging crossing wingers, and I also understand that isak won't have as much of the ball as he did at Newcastle and has to do more with less, but playing him in this fashion is like having 10 players on the field on or off the ball. We can't have two wingers whose only thought is to go for goal themselves every chance they get when we have one of the best 9s in the world, it just isn't going to work even after isak gets match fit finally.

I thought the plan was for our attackers to rotate and confuse the opposition, not have our 9 be a ghost on the field and for our wingers to be the solitary source of goals every game (and goals they have to create themselves by isolating their fullback) .

One of the saddest things about the forest game was isak coming off and looking sheepish and almost glad to have come off the field. I do think he has to show more than he has done but to be fair a lot of the time he doesn't even look like he features in the game plan beforehand.

29 Nov 2025 11:53:36
Yeah. More over he looks like trying to do everything and shooting from improbable angles last few games while keeping head down.

He was not doing that in the initial games when he got his goals.

When we were linked with him earlier, watched his videos where this negative trait was clearly captured. Hope he looks up more and passes when in tight space / angles.

29 Nov 2025 11:55:21
Thing with Ekitike is, he was flying 6 goals in as many games until this year's version of Slot stepped in n took our in form striker out the team n played a half fit Isak, Ekitike confidence hit the floor like the rest of our team. some shocking decisions this year by Slot but that's the worst one.

29 Nov 2025 11:59:55
Ed001 that’s true. I think isaks first start was a much changed league cup game that Ekitike got sent off in so Isak had to start next league game.

29 Nov 2025 12:11:13
Strom, Ekitike could possibly have taken that gesture you described as an F u, add the red card and the way Slot went for him publicly possibly added to the F u.

Slot imo should have told the press, If there’s anything to be said, it will be in house.

Slot could have been hitting home the expected standards at LFC, yet I think this is possibly where the dressing room has been lost to a degree, the public hanging of a new player.

29 Nov 2025 15:37:36
Kew 17 . I agree Ekitike most prob thought what's the point, getting dropped for an unfit player . last year he dropped Quansah after the 1st game n everybody thought wow this is a man who takes no nonsense, then this year he has left Salah on most games, played Macallister who has been woeful but his biggest F up has been playing a player who won't even sign a contract but playing the worst football he's ever played n still picking him.

29 Nov 2025 15:45:11
But Slot has always been like that, even during our winning ways last year. Being asked about Endo's good game, and Slot would answer with something like "yes but (so and so) was equally good if not better". He even admitted he should have used Endo more, and we see how that has happened this year. And he's clearly hung Ekitike out to dry, for all to see.

This is a key difference with Klopp. Klopp would go to war for his players, even when they were wrong. That's how he earned respect and loyalty from them. This dude has no clue.

29 Nov 2025 17:29:19
Slot isn't a prem league manager, just another ten haag or amor in. . If he'd of changed us straight away we wouldn't of won the league. We won the league with the players playing how they was for years under klopp.

Still slot was picking wrong teams at times and getting lucky making changes at half time. Very poor selection of manager for me from day 1. His severe lack of man management is the undoing.

29 Nov 2025 18:13:24
PatrikBurgher - And yet to defend Slot and seem sure that he will go on to be a great, elite level manager. Who is to blame for the current predicament?

30 Nov 2025 09:09:28
ed1 - yeah it was random, i can't recall which game, but Isak made his first start and it felt rushed. He didn't look fit and just looked out of place.
Ekitike hasn't quite hit the heights of the games before that moment. and also let's not forget the second yellow he picked up when removing his top to show off his name.

I don't care about the ego, but was more interested in what it potentially revealed about his mentality since Isak came in and then suddenly got pushed ahead of him to start.
Hope he gets back to his best soon.

28 Nov 2025 23:04:44
Breaking we’d like to take psg coach Luis Enrique?

Would he be a goer?

29 Nov 2025 00:38:21
Carra already shot this one down.

29 Nov 2025 00:49:28
Carra passed on information he has heard from someone connected with the club, which is cool and appreciated, but he doesn’t make decisions for the club and, as such, the situation may change if those making the decisions do change their mind or see an opportunity.

29 Nov 2025 02:08:07
I’m sure the people in charge are exploring all sensible options.
Leaks are going to happen as a result but it doesn’t mean it’s anything concrete.

29 Nov 2025 02:12:40
Carra only implied that it's be difficult to pry Enrique away from PSG because he and his family are happy remaining where they are now. Things can change definitely but it's unlikely. I see the situation as similar to how Klopp was linked to many other jobs in Germany when he was with us but still chose to stay.

29 Nov 2025 02:29:12
At one point he said he'd love to manage a club in England but I just can't see him leaving PSG.

29 Nov 2025 05:38:35
He probably won't leave right now. but maybe at the end of the season? Who knows.

At this point. I fully expect us to be talking to as many top managers as possible. So expect us to be linked to every one and their dog.

29 Nov 2025 05:53:23
He would be my choice plays brilliant football and would get us winning again unlike slot who should be sacked now.

29 Nov 2025 06:56:22
Reading between the lines, Enrique's next job will be in the UK, although that could be a way off, and would more than likely be for City considering he likes big time charly clubs.

29 Nov 2025 09:46:02
I can see Enrique replacing Pep at City when he leaves.

29 Nov 2025 10:03:34
I don’t know why he left Barcelona but you’d think he may end up back there, his wife’s from there and they prefer warm weather.

I guess he personally or professionally may be tempted to do a few years in England, but at the moment it seems a bit of a stretch for us.

29 Nov 2025 12:14:57
Re Enrique, imo, the only challenge he has at PSG is to win the CL every year, they dominate the French league easily in reality.

So the question is, will he fancy a change in the uk this coming summer, I hope so.

29 Nov 2025 13:46:57
If he wins the league and CL again this season, there would never be a better time to ask him and his people. He'll have completed football at PSG and there's not much else he would be able to do to keep him interested.

He might be happy in Paris, but equally I doubt he's planning to stay there forever.

29 Nov 2025 15:05:16
Agree with Salah, getting him to move from PSG is a pipe dream in my opinion.

28 Nov 2025 22:36:41
Great analysis by Adam Cleary on YouTube about our struggles. Some good stats showing the downfall, the impact of Jotas death and how most teams drop off. Only Fergie, Jose and Pep have managed to retain the title. Check it out.

29 Nov 2025 08:11:48
And Paisley (on 3 separate occasions) . Retaining the league is tough.

29 Nov 2025 08:18:39
Another one that thinks football started in 1992. Paisley won six titles in a row.

29 Nov 2025 08:57:51
Not sure Paisley won 6 in a row Endo?

Think Forrest and Villa won their titles between ours? Might be wrong.

29 Nov 2025 10:17:17
He didn't win 6 in a row. You should know your onions before posting about onions.

29 Nov 2025 10:17:30
Endo- nope, only the 3. City are the only ones to ever get 4.

29 Nov 2025 10:31:45
Football did start in 92 Endo. 1892.

29 Nov 2025 10:38:38
It was retaining the title in the Orem not first division.

29 Nov 2025 12:01:09
Keegan perm. this isn't a drop of though, this is relegation form. the most embarrassing title defence ever. people using the death of someone is a bad excuse imo, that doesn't stop you being able to pass a ball n run etc.

29 Nov 2025 12:55:48
Watched this last night, well worth a watch good insight.

29 Nov 2025 13:53:10
I managed to watch it this morning.

Another clear demonstration that they lack any conviction in their off the ball work, especially in terms of tackling. And then when we do tackle out of desperation, we give away fouls. And then we give away chances from the free kicks. Hot mess.

30 Nov 2025 05:02:29
Well it was before my time. I was born in 1980. But he retained the title 3 times and won it six.

28 Nov 2025 21:40:38
We have got to stick by him. Where else to we go. I am convinced that if Leoni had stayed fit, had Gomez been fit enough to start games and if we had signed Guehi things would have been different.


Slot has and is making mistakes but the centre half position is causesing major issues.
We need patience and I am sure things can be turned around.

28 Nov 2025 21:59:27
Ok MM; I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate here. Leoni is 18. Gomez stays fit? Guehi wouldn't make much of a difference out of possession. He wouldn't be taking swings at the ball and missing or directing free headers to opponents or missing routing clearing headers or giving away the ball under zero pressure but we'd still be conceding at an alarming rate.

Macca won't or can't run, he's a passenger defensively. Grav has been given license to roam as has Dom Macca Wirtz and Salah leaving us more exposed than a flasher on a nude beach.

We've all worked for that boss who doesn't inspire us or know how to get the best of the assets at their disposal. We don't give our best in an environment like that and it's the same for these players.

Combine that with a poor vision for how we should be playing and low intensity and you get what we've been getting. Nothing will change unless Slot has an epiphany and ups the fitness and intensity. The margins here are razor thin and the difference between winning and losing.

28 Nov 2025 22:03:27
And if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.

28 Nov 2025 22:10:44
SHNGW is really enjoying what’s happening at the moment. Is it Harry by any chance?

28 Nov 2025 22:18:10
I quite clearly said he is making mistakes.
Salah needs to be dropped straight away and Mac Allister. They are miles off. Unfortunately we are restricted with how many changes we can make by injuries and an absolutely shambolic lack of centre halves.

28 Nov 2025 22:19:40
442 diamond. Get Isak and Ekitike playing together.

Salah Chiesa Gakpo can all play centre forward and have done so many times before as back ups.

Wirtz Dom jones Macca (Elliot) can all play 10

The diamond protects the back 4 and makes us hard to beat.

And our fullbacks provide the width instead of this half inverted too scared to overlap nonsense they’re playing at the minute.

The whole squad is set up for it, it’s Failing in this system we’re far too Slow. We go from having hardly any options, to where we can bring on 2/ 3 forwards whenever we want.

28 Nov 2025 22:32:14
We looked good against Madrid and Villa so we can turn this around.

28 Nov 2025 22:39:56
Ifs and buts ….

28 Nov 2025 23:02:41
Let’s be honest, we’ve gone into a season with two established centre halves, one of which is in the final contract year can be very good but has always been fairly inconsistent especially after injuries, one very injury prone reserve who has only ever played 30 games once in a decade, and 20 games several times, and a young guy who came with a good pedigree but has never played premier league football. That’s a recipe for central defensive problems.

We’ve gone in with three centre mid starters, and one reserve in Curtis. Of the three Macca only ever plays half a season at his best, Szob is quality and a grafter and reliable, Grav at 23 was excellent last season but didn’t feature consistently prior to that with us or with Bayern, and this season he’s back at the earlier career level. Curtis has a few very good games each season, the rest of his performances are average at best, he also has been fairly injury prone.

Connor is talented, and at his best looks good, but injury prone so far. No real defensive back up with premier league experience. Robbo poor last season, quite good this year in comparison but isn’t going to get much better as he gets older. Kerkez talented, inexperienced at top level and seems to have lost any confidence he may have had.

The only areas of the pitch where we’ve always had a lot of quality talent, and fit and available players are in the attacking positions. They haven’t gelled at all, a lot of rotation except on the right where Mo has gone missing or his legs have gone, we miss Diaz pace and determination. Ekitike good, but again a young player who’s been chopped and changed and lost his rhythm a bit. Isak and Cody we all know.

A few odds and sods of squad players like Endo and Chiesa who only really feature in cup games.

More recently an injury prone Ali, brilliant keeper though he is, and new left footed Georgian who’s a decent shot stopping mystery and opportunistic buy. And the real mystery of all Mr Wirtz. Looked amazing in Germany, who knows what he could be - Havertz or Zola. He’s got potential to be either.

So that’s the players. Lots of talent, but limited depth in key areas other than attack, youthful or very old, coached and set up in a way that doesn’t provide any resilience to offset the ups and downs of any off form or inexperienced players, or to enable us to compete physically.

I think we took a calculated risk that the theoretical excellence and flexibility in attack would simply bail us out of any defensive ups and downs, and we’d get away again with limited cover in key areas because we’d play slower tempo and controlled football and be able to minimise injuries. We didn’t have any real contingency for consistent loss of form or prolonged spells of injury for any of our preferred starting eleven other than Isak where Ekitike could be an able deputy.

VVD and Mo have been always been so excellent and injury free, now the drop off from those two has meant the glue that usually holds everything together has been lost, and except for Szob it’s shown up the rest who just aren’t anywhere near that level.

29 Nov 2025 00:50:02
MM, I think most of us are keen to see how we fare once Salah heads to AFCON. Whoever is in charge then their hand will be forced.

I don't see that injuries are adversely affecting us compared to an average season or any other side in the league. Arsenal have a lot of injuries but they have more quality in depth than we do.

I don't think it matters who plays; nothing changes. I think between all the posters on here we have all the reasons, excuses, etc. more than covered but there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. I think each and every one of us is beyond baffled/ bemused, etc. at what we are seeing served up game after game with nothing changing in our approach or results. I think Churchill would call it "a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. ".

29 Nov 2025 11:56:04
Footy fan obviously not a footy fan . If you think the way slot has liverpool playing is acceptable then you need talking to. It's time he was sacked.

29 Nov 2025 13:09:57
It really wouldn’t have made much difference if Leoni had been fit, he’d still have been playing behind the probably the worst midfield in the premier league and arguably it would have destroyed his confidence. Slot seems adamant that letting opponents be able to stroll through midfield without being tackled or pressured is a good tactic.

28 Nov 2025 20:39:31
Slots out right persistent refusal to not change is what will cost him his job. The training, the team selection the lack of a more physical approach. Its all going to cost him, I would think by 9am Monday morning. Why can't he see that the more aggressive physical display Liverpool played again Madrid was the best performance since the end of Feburary.

Its baffling. How the board think he should have time to turn it around is beyond me. Surely they see the same issues we do? He also won't want to get a player like Anderson should he stay, a player that may benefit the players we all ready have massively. he's to defensive to aggressive for his style. Its worrying that he may actually get to keep his job.

{Ed001's Note - surely him keeping his job is not a worry, as it will mean things improve. They are not going to keep him if things stay like this.}

29 Nov 2025 16:47:34
Logically you’re right Ed, but at the moment he’s keeping his job while we plummet down the table. I guess it’ll depend what the trigger point is for his exit. For example if they waited until it’s mathematically impossible for us to get top four until they sacked him that is a worry, but if they have said for example we need to see three wins in next four games then you’re right it wouldn’t be as much of a worry.

I personally think the league is so poor outside of Arsenal, and virtually every team other than them is inconsistent, that we could lose another two consecutive matches and we’d still have a chance for a top four finish if we made the right managerial change then. If it gets much beyond that though I think we’d struggle for top four.

As an aside Bournemouth are in free fall and are conceding lots of goals. Iraola worries me as an option even though he’s the obvious one.

28 Nov 2025 19:09:01
So there is a lot and I mean a lot of sack Slot opinions on here, and we are all entitled to say whatever we want to of course. I however strongly disagree with sacking Slot for one predominant reason and it’s this. There are 12 managers who have won the premier league in its history, 12. Viewed through that lens Slot is a unicorn. There is only 1 other Liverpool manager who won one and whilst we alllove him, he should have won many more. I remember the first Man Utd game and his dissection of their tactics in the interview after, I was and remain impressed.

It’s not going well, we all know that, but less than a month we turned Madrid over and deserved to. Slot will sort it, given time and we’ll be singing his name for years to come if we just hold on, after all aren’t we supposed to be the supporters that weather storms such as these? It’s in our dna and our bloody song. Let’s get behind our bald eagle and I’m fairly certain he’ll be adding more titles in the years to come.

28 Nov 2025 19:15:18
Not a hope of him turning it around. He has learned nothing. Same set up and tactics every game and same outcome. Time to get rid of him now.

28 Nov 2025 19:29:01
12 games into the season after Leicester won the league, they were in 12th place. Where we are now. They stood by Ranieri and the team went into freefall, by the time they sacked him, after the January transfer window had closed, they were 1 point above relegation. There’s no reason to think that the same won’t happen given we are so poor in all areas of the pitch.

There is no reason to think that Slot has any ideas on how to stop our alarming slide down the table. He cannot put a string of wins together and has no idea on how to make us difficult to beat. It is better to move on than allow this situation to worsen. And if you think we’re too good to get relegated, we’re not. Our form is relegation form.

28 Nov 2025 19:39:06
I want to believe your opinion Hoody honest!

I just feel I can't

What I'm seeing every game is just to obvious to deny. Truth be told he started to loose the plot around the PSG games last year. We all made excuses as we effectively limped towards the end of the season. But in reality it was there to see. Then loosing DJ RIP was a hammer blow. Diaz Nunez and Jota all provided energy. taking that out of the squad, introducing the new lads has left Slot out of his depth. His Personality is not able to overcome this situation. Klop would have been ok. But not Arna his charisma isn't the same. He is not dynamic enough.

28 Nov 2025 19:43:34
Victor you are unhinged bro. Relegated, cmon, worst case scenario is a top 8 finish and that is extremely unlikely. Comparing us to Leicester is simply nonsensical and I can’t really believe that you believe that comparison is legitimate. 12 mate, only 12 and he is one of them. Think about that.

28 Nov 2025 19:49:45
I’m with Hoody. It’s not like there are great managers out there. Sacking Slot would put us on a Man U trajectory. Things are ugly right now, but what is Slot meant to do? With some key injuries, we have no one on the bench who should be starting.

28 Nov 2025 19:51:51
I work as an economist (an analyst more generally) and two of the most important principles in my field are that the process is often more important than the result, and that correlation often does not equate to causation.

Arne undeniably did a fantastic job to win the league last season. However, it is clear to most that one of either two scenarios are being played out. Firstly, that the process was wrong last season and a slow decline from those methods is only really showing itself this season. Alternatively, he has changed his methods completely this season and has absolutely lost his head, thus rendering his first league title redundant.

Either way, he should be sacked. His current methods are the antithesis of what a successful manager in Britain should be implementing.

28 Nov 2025 19:52:19
I believe I have alluded tothe fact of how impressed I was with slot for showing a ruthlessness and tactical knowledge that surprised many supporters and pundits alike but that same ruthlessness and tactical knowledge appears to be non existent this season which is why many supporters are feeling that it's time to leave and as Victor has said sometimes sticking rather than twisting can lead to more problems.


Last season he was a unicorn this seasons he's a donkey and I reiterate from a previous post I feel bad saying that, amd every fans opinion has the right to be heard.

28 Nov 2025 19:52:29
Aye, we won’t be in a relegation fight, that’s just a nonsense statement but top 8 is still a very bad return for the current PL Champions and £450 million of new talent.

28 Nov 2025 19:53:07
Victor knows that himself Hoody but nothing like a bit of sensationalism to get your piint across. For all the dissection and criticism were still just 2 points off d champs lge places.

28 Nov 2025 19:54:18
I think the question at this stage is : do u sack the manager r do u sack the players?
Personally I always think the players getaway a bit scot free in these situations but as we all know it's the manager who pays the price.
Somethings gone badly wrong which nobody can quite put there finger on but I think slot will pay the price.

As op said to have a Premiership winning manager and then to sack him few months later is a v big decision but something has went v wrong and slots inability to change to a more physical Premiership and our fitness levels looking below everybody elses will mean he is the 1 who pays price.

28 Nov 2025 20:03:47
Of the 11 other managers to have won the Premier League 5 were sacked the following season. Winning the league doesn't guarantee you a job for life. Slot can only live on last season for so long, we're on our worst run of form since the 1950's, things have to change starting at West Ham or he should and will be sacked.

28 Nov 2025 20:09:57
Unhinged? One league win in the last 6 matches. Our last three results being beaten by three goals, two of those at home and one of those by a relegation candidate. We don’t look like scoring, we’re soft and weak in midfield and have very little quality in depth, we’re extremely poor in defence. We regularly concede cheap goals and rarely trouble opposition keepers.

That is relegation form. To suggest we’re too good to go down given the form we’re in is extreme hubris. The fact that Slot thought the performance against United when we lost at home was better than when we beat Villa tells you how out of touch he is.

28 Nov 2025 20:15:11
Watching the footy last year a lot of the time bored the tits off me. It’s p. poor this year. The thing that doesn’t help him or show his skills as a manager is his reluctance to try something different. If you’re on a bad run and you go to city make sure you don’t lose. I think as a set of supporters we would have seen the logic in keeping it tight. He refuses to use the squad to change it up what’s the point of a squad. He will throw chiesa on when we concede 3 goals but not when we go only 1 behind. I don’t think it’s stubbornness I think it’s a lack of nouse.

The shouts of he won it with klopps team look more true now watching his style and tactics. It galls me to think we are calling for a manager to be sacked but Liverpool have never sacked a manager who has won the league. I’ll say it again if he gets the shove it’s his own fault. It doesn’t look like he’s trying to fight the slump. Bit of luck he takes dickey Hughes with him. The football is diabolical I really don’t mind losing but lose with a fight or some hard done by misfortune like when Barcelona beat us 3-0 or when we lost the league by a point. Not like this.

28 Nov 2025 20:31:05
Loads of points I agree with that’s why I’m absolutely torn on what the club should do. I would give him time but only if he changes to a high intensity/ tempo game aka the Real Madrid game. I would take that all day long but worry how he hasn’t seen what’s missing.

In his defence with all of the injuries we have there isn’t many personnel changes he can make, although Konate needs to come out and probably salah. I really hope he changes the above for Sunday, he doesn’t deserve to be sacked if he does that.

{Ed025's Note - where are all these injuries Ecogsi?

28 Nov 2025 20:47:31
Hoody, what do you see that makes you think Slot can turn it around. He refuses to change. He plays Salah every game, he's been awful for months. He plays the soon the be leaving Konate every game, he's atrocious and has been for months, he hasn't changed training to make the players any fitter as they are clearly clearly no where near as fit as they were even 12 months ago, I can only imagine to avoid nurn out and injuries later in the season, he won't change this diabolical style of play that's slow and ponderous and easy to attack.

he's lost the plot im affraid . there's nothing there to say he's going to turn it around. Unless Slot addresses all of the above nothing will change. So realistically Hoody do you honestly seem him turning it around.

28 Nov 2025 21:03:22
You’re making excuses for him ecogsi. There are players there who he could use.

28 Nov 2025 21:19:49
Frimpong, Bradley, Leoni, Alison, wirtz, ekitike.

I’m not trying or make excuses, I’m saying the intensity and tempo needs to change. I’d bring Gomez in for Konate, not sure I’d bring in chiesa and ngumoha for Izak and salah though. I don’t see any other changes he can make?

{Ed025's Note - but Frimpong is not a starter or Leoni Ecogsi, the others have all played mate, i do agree that others should be considered though and if he continues with his stubbornness he will be out the door..

28 Nov 2025 22:03:10
So as an analyst Woolback who’s more incompetent, Richard Hughes, Arne Slot, or Rachel Reeves?

28 Nov 2025 22:06:35
Hoody, 20 points in our last 16 PL games isn't quite relegation form but close to it. If we extrapolate this season, we end up with 57 points. Again, not relegation form. If we do the same with our last 7 games, we would finish with 16 points. That's relegation form.

So to think that we aren't in serious freefall is naive at best. We should be talking solid top 4 finish here at a min and the fact that we're not tells us something is more than amiss.

28 Nov 2025 22:26:15
I think another thing we've maybe lost sight of lately is Salah 29 goals and 18 assists in the PL last season. Obviously unreal numbers. Take those out and where would we have finished? Clearly missing that output this season but maybe Salah's season often papered over some average performances last season.

28 Nov 2025 22:27:56
MasterSouness, who are the key injuries? We've hardly had anything approaching an injury crisis this season. All have been fairly short term and i would say very limited impact on the squad.

28 Nov 2025 22:34:23
Tons of good talking points on this thread. But the bottom line is we can't blame injuries and we can't be so unlucky that almost the entire squad is so woefully out of form or not good enough.

We were singing Hughes' praises not too long ago. He's not the problem here. We've arguably had the biggest transfer window in our PL history and Slot has blown it. Not Hughes, etc. Only one way this is turning around.

28 Nov 2025 22:47:22
I think we are at serious risk of being dragged into a relaxation battle. I think our ivory tower mentality will blinker us and before we know it we will be in it.

Once in it, we are showing no signs of having the fight or the mettle to get out of it.

{Ed025's Note - i think quite a few of these are in a relaxation battle StEA.. :)

28 Nov 2025 23:08:46
To be fair, a solid Top 4 is still well within our reach. Plenty of teams have poor periods in their season, ours just happens to be horrendous.
For me, Slot is on a tightrope now.

Id like to stick with him if we start winning from now, starting versus WHU. If we lose any matches in the next month or two, my confidence in him has gone.

29 Nov 2025 08:48:46
Slot proved he could put a string of wins together and make us difficult to beat last season. To say that he can't is nonsense.
Slot, like most other managers, will be judged on results, he has shown that he can get results and that's why he is Liverpool manager.


If he continues this poor run of results, he will be sacked and rightly so but changing the manager doesn't guarantee that results will change.

28 Nov 2025 18:08:57
Is there any chance of signing Murillo of Nottingham Forest as well as Guehi and Semenyo? that would be a perfect window. Drop Gakpo, Macca and Konate and you have a team that can give us hope.

28 Nov 2025 18:12:41
Still be rubbish in midfield though.

28 Nov 2025 18:26:43
We could have prime Messi, Suarez and Neymar and have no hope with a manager who takes an eternity to put together a decent chance.

28 Nov 2025 18:30:18
Isn't signing multiple players how we got in this mess?

28 Nov 2025 19:03:59
Fried - to be fair, if we had MSN up front I’d have way more faith in staying in games than with the current lot.

28 Nov 2025 19:16:57
I agree with Frode Kippers. It’s deeper than the players on the pitch.

And although I think different Line-Ups would improve us slightly playing Lads who actually suit this dull Formation, The glaring issues would still remain.

28 Nov 2025 19:34:52
If Alexis and Endo leave next summer, which looks highly likely, there's plenty of room for some more gritty MF's.

What Id do for a Caicedo now. Is Anderson as good as him?

28 Nov 2025 19:54:10
And yet the midfield 3 everybody lauded last year are still at the club.

28 Nov 2025 20:45:28
Gravs not on form, and playing slightly differently tactically. In a three it only takes one key man to not sustain that excellent level and it destroys the overall level.

Otherwise we’re the same as Macca was only good consistently in the early parts of the second half of last season, and Szob was good throughout as he has been so far again.

No real depth there so he hasn’t switched Grav or Macca out. Curtis doesn’t lift the level, he’s a 5 or 6 most games.

28 Nov 2025 18:00:04
I have backed Arne to sort this out but it has gone and I think Arne may have to go . He won't change his system
the players don't look happy we have been hammered by a Dutch team who have given us a football lesson 1-4

We have no excuses the club has spent the big money on players and let players go who we miss .

The people in charge need to make the decision before it goes any further as we stand we only have the fa cup to go for.

YNWA.

28 Nov 2025 18:08:57
Is there any chance of signing Murillo of Nottingham Forest as well as Guehi and Semenyo that would be a perfect window. Drop Gakpo, Macca and Konate and you have a team that can give us hope.

28 Nov 2025 17:33:24
A question if i may for ed01 or any others with insight, how are our youngsters/ loaned players doing and is there any that might break into the first team in the next couple of years? Rio, Nyoni and Danns aside.

{Ed001's Note - I have to admit I have not had time to keep in touch with the youth teams and loanees in the main. Caught a couple of games with Jaros and that is it. He done alright, but nothing special. Does look a better fit, closer in style to Ali than Mama though.}

28 Nov 2025 18:31:25
I've been disappointed with mama, he looked the business for Georgia but not so much for us, reminds me of Donaruma but not in a good way.

28 Nov 2025 17:16:28
Did anyone read the Telegraph article by Jason Burt?

one sentence from it stood out

Above all, there was also the sense that having effectively won the league last season with Klopp’s team that Edwards, Hughes and Slot wanted to put their own imprint on Liverpool.

The article outlines how Eddie and Hughes also contributed to what's going on now.

The deals were Edwards and Hughes knowing best and eviscerating what Klopp has built - the next step after praising themselves for a genius managerial appointmnet. Perhaps they overestimated what Slot could deliver with so many changes in a short space of time.

I don't think we have bad players . just not the depth, or strength in the right positions. A defensive foundation is usually the start - instead we've built from the top down rather than the bottom up with solid foundations.

The manager has been exposed - the worrying thing is he doesn't seem to have the answers . making tweaks and rash substitute changes more in hope than expectation.

28 Nov 2025 17:51:35
lets hope they learn from their terrible mistakes.

28 Nov 2025 18:18:56
@DrB, isn’t it Edwards, Ward and Hughes’s job to bring in new players for the squad to evolve and improve? If you go back to the summer transfer of 2004 and the first part of the 24/ 25 season there were lots and lots and lots of people on here constantly criticising the club and Hughes in particular for not signing anybody. We had failed to win the PL in 23/ 24 Jurgen was burnt out and the squad needed changing and a failure to sign anybody showed hoe the club and FSG didn’t want to improve.

Roll forward 12 months to summer 25 and the transfer window., putting aside the fact the Slot had won the PL and everyone was anticipating the arrival f badly needed squad improvements. The improvements came and it’s fair to say that Wirtz, Ekitike, Isak, and possibly Frimpong were upgrades on the squad and that Leoni has the potential to be regarded as an upgrade. I appreciate that it’s easy to question Edwards’ and Hughes’s motives and sneeringly suggest that their intention in buying players was to make themselves look good but, equally you can argue that they were doing their job.

As I’ve said before, the new players are not being used to play to their best - the team set up is wring and that’s not Edwards or Hughes’s fault it the players either. We are playing badly because we aren’t playing to our potential strengths. The whole squad looks devoid of confidence and looks cumbersome and ripe for the picking by teams with a lot less skill and talent than we have. That’s down to the coach.

28 Nov 2025 19:20:13
I can well believe that, and it will probably be one of the main reasons Arne is still in the hot seat as they’re all culpable. It’s mainly on Arne though just how far down the league we are.

I doubt he or Hughes had any issue with Jurgen, but you can understand why they’d want to evolve the identity of the team, it didn’t need ripping up though. It’s also been said that Jurgen and Edwards had issues so maybe ego has clouded some judgement there.

While the owners may well be hands off on most things, through the chairman they’ll pick this issue apart and sort it if Edwards and Hughes don’t. Given what’s gone on you do wonder if new coaches or managers are put off by the idea of working with Hughes or Edwards, it must be the talk of the game what’s going on and no one’s coming out of this well.

28 Nov 2025 21:52:07
You could also look at like this.
Last season Edwards and Hughes thought that keeping the squad the same with a new manager coming in was the least upheaval possible after klopp.
There's arguments for and against any decisions made recently.
The only decision that I honestly believe is best for everyone now is, after the last 30+ results, Arne needs to go.

28 Nov 2025 16:02:00
Ed001 lots of talk about Guehi maybe, maybe not, Madrid looking to buy him etc.
I spoke with you the other day on Murillo for me a better player, and I like schlotterback too, graceful type and commanding with it. I think that would make a great pairing what’s your thoughts mate?

{Ed001's Note - I don't think you could combine the latter 2 with them both being left-footed. As left footers are so rare, they rarely get used anywhere but on the left side at all, so they don't tend to be comfortable as a right-sided defender. Guehi and either of those would be excellent for the medium to long term.}

28 Nov 2025 17:02:43
Ok thanks Ed, I would go for Murillo in that case as he knows the prem and has performed well in it over two seasons.

{Ed001's Note - I do like Murillo, I would love him to be the long term replacement for VVD.}

28 Nov 2025 17:12:14
Knowing Slot he'll sign Guehi and put him in goal. We might not concede as many set piece goals but he won't help much with the scrambling defense we have w all the gaping holes in front. And when we do have a mid in there like Macca he's like a traffic cone running in treacle.

28 Nov 2025 19:21:47
Murillo would be a good replacement for Konate. A more reliable brute of a defender and also seems to have more leadership and maturity than Konate.

28 Nov 2025 19:02:19
Ed, is the report that Madrid are interested in Guehi true? One thing though, you are right that Madrid are not really interested in Konaté after all. It’s not surprising given the kind of season he’s having, and I would be surprised if any top team were interested in signing him.

It would also be mad if we tried to persuade him to sign a new contract after everything that’s happening right now. One thing I’m sure of is that he will play alongside Van Dijk this weekend because Slot apparently has Konaté’s name permanently glued to the teamsheet.

{Ed001's Note - Madrid were interested in the summer as well.}